键盘侠|KD曾说服哈登加盟|杜经理幕后操盘?斯特恩知道会被气活

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How KD successfully convinced his boy Harden to ask out of Houston to the Brooklyn Nets via BR

露天看台发表了一篇文章,谈到了杜兰特是如何说服他的好兄弟哈登向火箭提出交易申请来篮网。

“In November, the thought of joining Brooklyn grew more intriguing for Harden. He started training with Kevin Durant at the Mamba Academy, developing a relationship with the team.By Nov. 11, Harden indicated to Russell Westbrook he wanted to be traded to Brooklyn. As a result, Westbrook asked out. Not because of Harden's partying tendencies or the Rockets' culture issues, but simply because he knew Harden wanted out, according to multiple sources close to the Rockets. Harden spent significant time in L.A. with Durant in mid-November and became fully committed to the idea of playing with the Nets. The two met to reaffirm their desire to play with one another and started laying the foundation for a trade, sources say.By Nov. 17, news of the potential deal had spread across the league. Harden and Durant thought it would be finalized on Nov. 22, when trades could officially be announced. But Rockets management changed its tune. Harden, Durant and the Nets had underestimated the Rockets' capacity to posture for a better deal."Houston was being difficult," a front-office executive familiar with the Rockets' negotiating tactics at the time told Bleacher Report.”

节选内容:去年11月份,哈登开始对加盟篮网的起了兴趣。他和杜兰特一起在曼巴学院训练,并和篮网其他球员培养了不错的关系。到了11月11日,哈登向威少透露他想被交易去篮网,最后威少提出了交易申请。火箭内部消息人士透露,威少想要离开不是因为哈登爱去派对或者因为火箭的球队文化,威少想离开纯粹是因为他知道哈登要离开。消息源透露,在11月,哈登与杜兰特在洛杉矶待了很长的时间,两人确认了通过交易然后一起打球的合作意向。11月17日,交易流言遍布联盟,哈登与杜兰特以为交易会在22日官宣,但是火箭管理层改变了想法,哈登、篮网、杜兰特都低估了火箭故作姿态的能力。“火箭陷入艰难的境地。”当时一名了解火箭谈判策略的管理层如是说。

Everybody want to talk about LeGM, but let’s talk about Kevin DurGM for a second...

每个人都想去聊“詹经理”,但是现在可以聊一聊“杜经理”的事了吧。

[–]BullsAnselLovesNuts 588 指標 23小時前

During this time, the Rockets were reportedly using the 76ers as leverage to increase the Nets' offer. The Sixers offered a package centered around Ben Simmons and Matisse Thybulle, but Houston didn't even call to counteroffer, according to Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer

公牛球迷:在此期间,据费城问询者报的记者Keith Pompey报道,火箭利用76人来提高篮网的报价,76人提供了以本-西蒙斯和马蒂斯-塞布尔为核心的一堆报价,但是火箭从来没有给76人打电话讨价还价。

[–]Jumpy-Shift6261 223 指標 20小時前

Damn that's crazy. I'd take those two and 2 picks over everything Brooklyn gave up no question. Build around Simmons, Thybulle, and Wood.

太TM疯狂了,无论篮网愿意付出什么,我都会选择76人的西蒙斯、塞布尔和两枚首轮签,再加上伍德打造阵容。

[–]BullsCommanderluka 16 指標 18小時前

I do wonder if the rockets were doing Harden a favor by taking less so he could go to his desired team

公牛球迷:我想知道火箭是不是为了帮哈登一个忙,愿意少得到些回报,让哈登去想去的队伍。

[–]Fragrant-Metal7264 5 指標 17小時前

The trade is still hard to judge though until we see how the picks are used/turn out. Ben Simmons would've most likely left Houston after being unhappy for a few years. Imagine being taken from a contender for a rebuild/middle of the pack team.

目前这笔交易还是很难评价,直到那些选秀签都使用了。就算西蒙斯去了火箭,很可能过了几年不开心就离开了休斯顿,想象一下自己从一个冠军争夺者的队伍被交易去一支重建球队是什么感受吧。

[–]Heatacequake91 58 指標 20小時前

So what I'm hearing is that he was always going to Brooklyn, any other team that was spoken to was a bit of a formality.

热火球迷:所以我听到的都是哈登一直想去篮网的消息,其他球队的谈判都是走个过场吧。

[–]OnlineRespectfulGuy167指標23小時前

David Stern was rolling in his grave when this trade went down.

大卫-斯特恩听到这笔交易达成都得从棺材里蹦出来。

[–]CIark 55 指標 18小時前

“KD?!!!?!! AGAIN!!?!!?! WHY IS IT ALWAYS HIM NOW??!!!?! WHY GOD?!?!? GOD LEME GO DOWN THERE FOR AN HOUR TO GIVE HIM A PIECE OF MY MIND”

斯特恩:“杜兰特?!!怎么又是他?!!为什么总是他?!!上帝,给我一小时的时间去和他谈谈吧。”

[–]PistonsTuqiDuque12 1293 指標 23 小時前

The interesting part is that clearly all the "Westbrook wanted to go back to being a traditionnal point guard" non sense was just false, Harden just flat out told him he was out so Russ asked out first because he knew if Harden was traded first he'd be stuck in Houston

活塞球迷:有趣的部分是,那些威少提出交易申请是因为“他想做回一名传统的控卫”的看法是错误的。哈登直截了当地告诉威少他要走了,所以威少才先提出交易申请的,就是因为他知道哈登如果先被交易走了,他就会被困在火箭走不掉了。

[–]NBAEarthWarping 620 指標 23 小時前

Which is exactly what happened in OKC. PG was traded, so naturally Russ didn't want to be stuck on a bad team again.

这就是在雷霆发生的事情,保罗-乔治被交易了后,威少也不想被困在一支糟糕的队伍。

[–][WAS] DeJuan Blairtricky6ricky 629 指標 23小時前

And is now stuck on a terrible team.

奇才球迷:现在还是被困在一支糟糕的队伍。

[–][CHI] Zach LaVineMyHonkyFriend 268 指標 21小時前

I think hes happy knowing hes not stuck alone.

公牛球迷:我认为威少现在很高兴,因为他不是一个人被困。

[–]NBAMurmur322 76 指標 19小時前

And he’s serving well as a mentor for the younger kids these days. In Russ’s early years I never would’ve predicted him to shift into that mentor role, but he seems to be fantastic at it.

威少现在扮演起年轻球员导师的角色,职业生涯早期我从没想过威少有一天会转变为导师的角色,但他似乎还挺擅长这件事。

[–]Tampa Bay Raptorsschizophrenix_ 112 指標 22小時前

At least he’s in the East now where below average teams still make the playoffs

猛龙球迷:至少威少现在在东部,低于联盟平均水准的队伍也能打进季后赛。

[–]Bullsporkchop487 50 指標 20小時前

And yet they are the 11th seed

公牛球迷:可是他们现在是东部第11号种子(已经跌到了13位)。

[–]Pistonsjames_stinson56 37 指標 20小時前

They’ve moved up a lot

活塞球迷:他们已经上升了很多。

[–][LAL] D'Angelo Russellpentefino978 7 指標 16小時前

It’s the Wizards, give them a discount

湖人球迷:他们是奇才队,宽容点吧。

[–]ThunderPrOKCedure 66 指標 23小時前

At least Washington gives him a fighting chance

雷霆球迷:至少华盛顿给了他一个奋斗的机会。

[–]Warriorsgovernorbitch 28 指標 21小時前

Russ’s career is just a serious of unfortunate events

勇士球迷:威少的职业生涯就是一连串的不幸。

[–][TOR] Tracy McGradys4ntana 13 指標 20小時前

They weren't supposed to be this bad, kinda sucks for Russ

猛龙球迷:奇才不应该这么烂的,这对威少来说有点糟糕。

[–]RocketsSlimDu51169指標23小時前

There was so much misinformation coming out during this whole thing that we have no idea what really happened. I remember at one point something came out that harden preferred John wall over Westbrook as his teammate lmao.

火箭球迷:事情发展到现在,传出过太多错误的信息,导致我们知道真正发生了什么。我记得有一次发生过什么事,使哈登相比于威少更愿意和沃尔做队友,笑死我了。

[–]ThunderPrOKCedure 122 指標 22 小時前

That was Harden doing his childhood friend a solid

I knew this all along. Those reports of Russ wanting a specific role and questioning Harden’s leadership were absolute BS.

That duo was great together. It’s a shame they ran into a better team, had injuries, had the coach/GM leave and an inadequate roster.

雷霆球迷:哈登和威少从小的友谊很坚固的,我知道事情的来龙去脉,那些关于威少想要更特殊的角色,以及质疑哈登领导力的报道都是胡扯。哈登和威少聚在一起打造一支更好的队伍,很遗憾遭遇了伤病,主教练总经理相继离开,阵容强度也不够。

[–]Lakersso-cal_kid 29 指標 21小時前

Those dudes have been friends since they were kids. One disappointing season wasn't gonna change that. They still looked friendly the other night after the nets wizards game

湖人球迷:哈登和威少小的时候就是朋友了,一个令人失望的赛季不会对他们的感情有所影响,那晚奇才和篮网的比赛结束后他们看起来还是很友好。

[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonMrVanillaIceTCube 70 指標 21小時前

Yeah people forget how well Russ was playing before he got COVID and injured his quad.From Dec 7th til March 10th (last game before shutdown), Russ averaged 31/8/7 on 51-29-80%, 57% TS.Over that same span, Harden averaged 32/7/7 on 43-36-85%, 60% TS.

勇士球迷:是的,人们都忘了威少在感染新冠以及四头肌受伤之前打得多好。从去年12月7日到3月10日(停赛前的最后一场比赛),威少场均31分8篮板7助攻,三项命中率分别为51%、29%和80%,真实命中率57%。同一时间段,哈登场均32分7篮板7助攻,三项命中率分别为43%、36%和85%,真实命中率60%。

[–]New Jersey NetsBasedGodProdigy 8 指標 22 小時前

Yea and it really seemed like the Sixers got him on the day of the trade. I remember being so bummed because 75% of reports were about the Sixers meeting their price

篮网球迷:当时看起来好像76人在交易的第一天就得到了哈登,我记得我还很沮丧,当时75%的报道都在说76人的报价能满足火箭。

[–]New Jersey NetsDarnellisFromMars 3 指標 22小時前

Same thing happened when we were getting KD and Kyrie. Media kept talking about them going to NY, but not really the Nets. I think the typical talking heads/media are out of the loop on guys like KD, Kyrie, and Harden and it’s easier to pin point what Lebron/Klutch athletes want to do.

篮网球迷:我们得到杜兰特和欧文之前也是如此,媒体都在说他们要去纽约,但不是篮网。我感觉那些媒体人很难搞清楚杜兰特、欧文和哈登这种球员的想法,却很容易搞清楚詹姆斯和Klutch(里奇-保罗所在公司)旗下运动员的想法。

[–]LakersHydroThermia600指標22小時前

You really felt the urge to include that didn’t you lol

湖人球迷:杜经理,哈哈哈,楼主真的很想把杜兰特也拉下水。

[–]Maverickslalakingmalibog 47 指標 21小時前

I feel like KeGM Durant would've flowed a bit better, idk

独行侠球迷:我觉得真要是杜经理的话,可能篮网阵容能更好点,我不知道。

[–]NetsChristianity1st[S] 135 指標 22 小時前 

Yes lol I thought this was funny

篮网球迷:是的,哈哈哈,我觉得这挺有趣。

[–]Rocketsmr_jazzhands 211 指標 1 天前

I wonder what the original offer was for Harden then. Farbod had said Allen, Lavert, Dinwiddie, and Prince with picks IIRC, but was it all the picks and swaps we ended up getting?

I also wonder if this is why Houston didn't take Philly's offer for Simmons. Did Harden truly just prefer the Nets over the Sixers? Our front office post-Morey seems especially friendly about sending players to their desired destination (Harden-Nets, PJ-Bucks, Oladipo-Heat) even if it means getting a worse offer (Simmons > random middle schoolers and I don't even know what the fuck that Oladipo trade was).

火箭球迷:我想知道当时给哈登最初的报价是什么,如果我没记错的话,Farbod(NBA资深编辑)说过是贾莱特-阿伦、丁威迪、普林斯和首轮签,那些首轮签和互换权最后都得到了吗?

我还想知道火箭没有用哈登从76人换来西蒙斯是否有其他原因,仅仅是哈登相比于76人更愿意去篮网吗?前任总经理离开后,我们的管理层好像在交易球员上特别友好,把球员都送去想去的地方。哈登送去篮网,PJ-塔克送去雄鹿,奥拉迪波送去热火,即使换来更少的回报也无所谓。不要西蒙斯暂且不谈,随便找个中学生都看不懂奥拉迪波交易是TM的什么东西。

[–]New Jersey NetsSOB200 224 指標 1 天前

Harden thanked the Rockets for helping get him to the team of his preferred choice. Harden also said that a lot of the “noise” reported by the media was not true.

The fact that the Rockets owner said shortly after the Rockets would retire his jersey also most likely reaffirms your theory - the Rockets wanted to do James right too.

篮网球迷:哈登感谢火箭把他送去想去的队伍,哈登也表示媒体报道的很多事情并不真实。事实就是火箭老板没过多久就说火箭将会退役哈登的球衣,正是验证你的想法,火箭想满足哈登的意愿。

[–]Minneapolis LakersChubbyKevinLove42 60 指標 23 小時前

Doing James right also not dealing him to Morey Will fuck them in the long run. Business is business and they got too personal with it

湖人球迷:满足哈登的意愿不把他送去76人,长远来看火箭会完蛋的。生意就是生意,火箭掺杂了太多私人情感。

[–][BOS] Paul Piercepoeope 41 指標 23 小時前

They guys all think all the f.a. will want to sign with them if they blow up their franchise to mollycoddle one dude

凯尔特人球迷:火箭那群人可能认为,他们为了满足某个球员的意愿可以牺牲球队利益,这种做法可以让其他球员更愿意和火箭签约。

[–]Minneapolis LakersChubbyKevinLove42 67 指標 23 小時前

Like how Ainge did IT dirty? Or how the clips shipped Blake off after doing a mock jersey retirement?

湖人球迷:你想说丹尼-安吉对小托马斯做的事吗?还有快船模拟完格里芬球衣退役后将其交易?

Like how the Lakers did B.I. dirty with his health issues? Noone cares all they care about is where they will be playing and if they can win.

凯尔特人球迷:还有湖人在英格拉姆受伤后把他送走,没人在乎他们的意愿,也没人在乎他们将去哪打球,能不能赢球。

[–]Minneapolis LakersChubbyKevinLove42 44 指標 23 小時前

That’s literally my point, if they shipped him out to Minnesota I’m sure nobody would’ve held it against the rockets.

湖人球迷:这就是我的观点,如果火箭把哈登送去森林狼,我敢肯定没有人抓住这点再喷火箭。

[–]MovieMuscle25 67 指標 22小時前

Remember when KD said he had nothing to do with Harden's trade demands and desire to play in Brooklyn? Never believe NBA players when it comes to these kinds of rumors and stories. They're usually full of shit.

还记得杜兰特说过哈登提出交易申请想来篮网打球,和他一点关系都没有吗?当涉及这种故事和交易流言时,不要相信NBA球员说的鬼话。

[–]SpursSnuggleMuffin42 13 指標 18小時前

He literally can't say that he does, because like you saw with the Bucks the league would bar the transaction and sanction the team for tampering...

马刺球迷:就算杜兰特做了这些事他也不可能承认,因为就像雄鹿之前那样(博格丹-博格达诺维奇),联盟会出来叫停这笔交易,并对球队进行处罚。

[–]Celticsfearofaflatplanet 84 指標 21小時前

Can’t wait till KD finds out that winning a ring with this Nets team is going to get him a similar lack of credit as winning with the Warriors.

凯尔特人球迷:我已经等不及看到,杜兰特发现自己在篮网拿到一枚戒指和在勇士拿到一枚戒指一样,都会让自己的声誉受损。

[–]NetsChristianity1st[S] 24 指標 21小時前

I think he knows and is coming to terms with it. He’s never going to get respect from everybody, and at this point, it is what it is. If stacking the deck and putting him in a better position makes him happy, then he has to do what’s best for him, which is also doing what’s best for us(Nets) cause nobody knows if he will ever be fully healthy for a season again. He’s missed damn near 2 months

篮网球迷:我认为杜兰特已经意识到了,并逐渐接受了。他永远不可能得到所有人的尊重,目前的情况就是如此。如果他让自己处在更好的位置会开心,他就必须为自己考虑,这也是对我们球队最好的事。而且没有人知道他是否能再完全健康地打一个赛季,他已经快缺战两个月了。

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